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Bonjour,
Je suis assez d'accord avec toi.
J'ai vu la pub et tout de suite je me suis dit : ils ne savent même pas que le kebab est turque !!
j'ai été en Turquie et je n'ai vu aucun dromadaire et pour cause ce n'est pas le maghreb mais la mésopotamie!!
Donc rien à voir...
PS: moi aussi j'adore les sandwichs kebab :-)
La publicité fait du basique ? Non pas possible !!
Et puis le kebab est plus marqué arabe que turc en france... (en partie)
Donc ok ils mettent des chameaux, c'est naze, mais c'est juste pour dire que quand on mange leur kebab on s'y croit...
J'ai vu sur un autre site des personnes presque choqués. faut pas abuser non plus.
Si la caricature de l'Orient n'est rien, c'est qu'Huntington a raison... Et pour ce qui est de la doxa, la linguistique nous apprend que l'on mange "un turc" pas "un arabe", alors je ne comprend pas l'argument... Et quand bien même, accepter que le monde arabe se réduise à des dromadaires... Je ne suis pas choqué, la connerie ne me surprend pas, je la trouve seulement inadmissible, et il faut n'en laisser passer aucune.
N’exagérons rien : il ne s’agit que d’une publicité (que je n’ai d’ailleurs pas encore vu).
Même si le raccourcis avec les dromadaires est un peu facile (voire - comme tu le précises, erroné), je pense qu’il ne faut pas trop se prendre la tête là-dessus : si les pubs devaient toutes être cohérentes et intelligentes, je crois que l’on aurait plus grand-chose à la télévision…
C'est un reflet de la médiocrité de notre culture et de la connaissance de l'autre voilà tout. C'est en fait elle que je stigmatise a travers cette pub et pas vraiment la pub en elle-même.
Au passage, moi que le Kebab devienne un produit de notre douce France, cela me va tres bien.
Dans ce cas je suis d’accord avec toi : la France et les Français ont toujours préféré les rapides raccourcis à la réalité des choses : les vikings, que l’on imagine encore avec des casques à cornes ; les gaulois, que l’on imagine avec de grosses moustaches et fabriquant des menhirs (merci Astérix) ; et comme tu le dis l’Afrique, où l’on imagine un grand désert au nord, et une gigantesque forêt au sud… Les exemples ne manquent pas !
PS : Je ne suis pas un grand fan de Kebab, en tout cas pas de celui que l’on trouve en France. Je trouve la viande (d’agneau, si ma mémoire est bonne) qu’ils utilisent trop grasse : je préfère à la limite un sandwich au steak haché de bœuf, avec de la mayonnaise plutôt que de la sauce blanche… Que Douce France ait décidé de le rajouter dans ses produits, cela ne me dérange absolument pas, même s’il est vrai que je trouve que cela enlève un peu le charme d’aller se manger un bon sandwich au « Kebab du coin » ;-)
Ouais tu as tout à fait raison, cela nous brise un petit exotisme estival...
Alors comme ça tu t'interesses aux Vikings? Tu as raison grande et belle civilisation, mais peu d'historiens français pour bien nous en parler, hellas... Cependant une histoire passionante.
PS: mon "Turc" fais un tres bon Kebab au poulet, moins gras, bien grillé et meilleur que l'agneau. Il est rue de la Huchette entre Haagen daas et une creperie.
je trouve cette publicité redicule c'est une moquerie de la culture orientale et plus particulierement la gastronomie orientale.
je sais pas ou est le rapport entre des dromadaires et le Kebab.sachant que le kebab est un sandwich Turc pas ARABE, ce sandwich est consommé par bcp de de d'arabes musulman(es) ou non ,parceque tout simplement c'est un produit halal.
Bref la Turquie est un pays entre l'europe et l 'Asie ou le dromadaire n'a jamais existé.
pour le publicitaire qu'a eu l idée de faire cette bub, il doit se renseigner avant de lancer cette pub pcq elle est commpletement fausse.SAUF S'ELLE N'EST PAS FAITE EXPRET
Bonjour. Etant turc je trouve cette pub assez étrange. En effet comme beaucoup dentre vous je comprend pas pourquoi ya des chameaux dans cette pub. Quest ce que ces 3 p*t**ns de chameaux font ici. Essayerait on dassocié le kebab a des chameaux? est ce que les turcs ont des chameaux dans leurs déserts? la turquie se résume t-elle simplement a des chameaux et des kebabs?enfin bref tout cela nest pas le vrai probleme. le réel probleme réside dans le fait que certaines personnes qui sont d'extreme droite vont profité de cette publicité pour "incendié" la turquie. Eh ouai parce que on ne veux pas de la turquie dans l'europe! cest pourquoi les kebab DOUCE FRANCE sont une insulte a la culture française!
Avouez que cette pub fait trop parler! et ca cest pas normal!
Pour ma part cette pub ma fais un peu marré au début mais vue la polémique quelle a créée ca me donne plus trop envie de rire...
Alors pour le cou d chamo c kune pub dc fo relativisé.Même s'ils ont un peu confonfu maroc et turkie, jpens kils voulè juste dire kils souvre à une otre culture et ça c pas si mal.
é o moins ça fè u truc sympa à manger le midi vite fè à l'apart.Moi jsuis fana de kebab dc c pluto cool, mêm en barquette..
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c'est de la connerie totale, de l'ignorance et une idée reçue: le Kebab est une spécialité de viande turque, rendue célèbre en Europe par les immigrés turcs, parfois copiés par les grecs, libanais et autres maghrébins dans leurs restaurants.
Mais en Turquie il n'y a pas de chameaux!!! Vive les clichés et l'ignorance!!!
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Papageno a dit "C'est un reflet de la médiocrité de notre culture et de la connaissance de l'autre voilà tout."
D'un autre cote c'est une pub provenant de la TV qui est en soi un gisement de mediocrite et de negation de la culture. Je ne vois pas pourquoi stigmatiser cette pub (que je n'ai pas vu puisque j'ai cesse de m'abetir devant le petit ecran depuis un momment) plutot que les monceaux de cretineries que le petit ecran nous sert par ailleurs.
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